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VIKING HELMETS

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:12 am
by branmacmaelmordha
HAS ANYONE INFO ON VIKING HELMETS FOUND IN AROUND ATHA CLIATH OR ANYWERE ELSE IN EIRE,IVE BEEN TALKING TO A FREIND FROM POLSKI THATS LIVING IN ATHA CLIATH AND HES AMAZED THAT HE CANT FIND INFO ON IT..SO ANY WEB SITE OR BOOKS I CAN HAVE A LOOK AT GO RAIBH MHAITH AGUT

Re: VIKING HELMETS

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:17 am
by Swifty
Easy answer to that is that there are none.

In fact there are only two medieval helmets on the Irish archaeological record and both are post-viking age.

Cheers

Re: VIKING HELMETS

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:02 pm
by the_power
Viking-era helmets in the archeological record are pretty rare, and as Swifty says, non-existant here. I think two or three have been found in scandinavia, so compare that with 800+ swords and 3000+ spears catalogued, the case for helmets is pretty weak.

If possible, it's best not to wear a helmet when doing Viking stuff, unless you have the kit for a noble, or need to wear it for safety reasons. I usually go with a leather helmet - it may have no provenance, but at least it'll protect you from most blows, and you could pretend that "they might all have rotted away or have been recycled".

John

Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:43 am
by kevin714
Swifty wrote:Easy answer to that is that there are none.

In fact there are only two medieval helmets on the Irish archaeological record and both are post-viking age.

Cheers


Any info pictures or descriptions of these helmets?

Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:48 am
by KimPierri

Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:11 pm
by the_power
Uh...Kim, I'm pretty sure nothing like those have ever been found in Ireland.

John

Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:27 pm
by Swifty
Bran and Kevin

The post-viking helmets to which I referred are both of the general Bascinet type with the characteristic high pointed crown. The first with a riverine provinence in Co Laois is quite fragmentary but appears to conform to type. The other is an unusual type from Co Down with an almost-enclosed face-guard a bit like the Barbutta which itself was based on the classical Corinthian style. The Down helmet is further unique due to its eyebrow and other applied decoration c/f vendel/valsgarde types suggesting - perhaps - dare I say - a Scandinavian/Galloglass link... I do have pics of both these helmets somewhere - give me a bit of time and I should be able to route them out - hopefully...!

Kim, yeah I have to agree with John, that type of vendel helm is not an entry on the Irish record to date - though I would wish that it was! Nor is it post-viking in age, but rather, the reverse.

Sláinte

Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:55 pm
by Swifty
First thing to say is that this thread should prob be changed to Late Medieval Helmets rather than Viking Helmets as we are off the beaten track a little.

Ok, I have routed out one of the aforesaid pics to date:

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This is a Late Medieval Bascinet which was yielded from the old bed of the River Nore from Clashnamuck in Co Laois very close to Borris-In-Ossory. The other helm article I will continue to search for - but I do expect it to show soon!!

Sláinte for now

Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:58 pm
by knightofredemption
Thread moved, glad to be of service :D

Paul

Re: Medieval irish helmets

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:41 pm
by Swifty
Good job Paul - and, noticed you put it under a more appropriate title too.